Selecting the very best time to go to Disneyland and Disney California Journey is hard, particularly as crowds are much less predictable and differ broadly between days or even weeks. This information was designed with that in thoughts, sharing our favourite weeks to go and worst ones to keep away from all through the following 2 years primarily based on attendance and wait occasions forecasts, plus seasonal occasions, climate & extra.
These lists do issues just a little in another way. As Disneyland locals, we frequently have household and associates asking us when they need to take their journeys to Southern California. Through the course of answering these inquiries, we’ve discovered that crowd ranges in Disneyland and DCA are one issue, however not the overriding one.
We’re as an alternative addressing climate, particular occasions, and overarching vacationer tendencies. Not simply at Disneyland Resort, however in Southern California as an entire. As a result of, a minimum of in our expertise, few individuals we all know are taking Disneyland holidays–they’re visiting the seashore cities, Los Angeles, perhaps a Nationwide Park or two, and different standard cities and spots in California. Frankly, this balanced strategy is sensible even with regards to simply Disneyland and being primarily involved with crowds.
The explanations for which are two-fold. First, because of the limitations of conventional crowd calendars with regards to trip planning. It’s typically the case that the worst and greatest particular person days are dotted all through the weeks and months. This may be useful when you’re searching for a single day to go to and your schedule is huge open. Much less so when you’re planning a 3-5 day go to that encompasses each good and dangerous days.
There’s additionally the unlucky actuality that crowd calendars are much less dependable than they was. That is true throughout the board. It’s not that we’re casting aspersions on different websites you utilize our 2025 Disneyland Crowd Calendar. On the contrary, we belief all of them much less, and even warn that you just shouldn’t over depend on any of them–ours included!
The fact is that there are too many variables, particularly within the period of park reservations, that give Disney granular management over attendance and staffing. (That is even worse with the automated crowd calendars that scrape final yr’s wait occasions knowledge and make future “predictions” on that foundation.)
Not solely that, however tendencies and patterns change primarily based on circumstances. This makes reliance on previous wait occasions to foretell future crowd ranges for particular dates difficult. We just lately addressed this at size in What to Anticipate of Crowds at Disneyland in 2025. That explains the 2 countervailing components at play in 2025, and the way these will doubtless upend crowd calendars this yr.
The excellent news, fortunately, is that normal tendencies nonetheless do apply. Even when it’s tough to foretell numerical crowd ranges for particular days, there are particular weeks we all know definitely can be higher or worse than others. We additionally know when seasonal occasions will occur, what climate is usually like every month, when ticket offers will happen that drive attendance, and extra.
On high of all that, we reside pretty shut to some of the Finest Seashores in Southern California (and in our opinion, all the world) and take common walks there. If there’s one factor we all know higher than Disneyland crowds, it’s Orange County seashore metropolis crowds! Whereas we don’t spend almost as a lot time in Los Angeles or the close by Nationwide Parks, we’ve been to all of them sufficient to know when to go to and keep away from these, too.
When mixed with our Finest & Worst Days to Do Every Park at Disneyland, this ought to provide definitive recommendation for choosing journey dates and when to prioritize the parks versus different issues to do in Southern California. This narrows down the week, after which that gives what you want to know to decide on when to go to every park. It’s nonetheless extra of a “educate an individual to fish” relatively than the “give an individual a fish” mentality of crowd calendars, but it surely additionally ought to show extra correct and helpful.
Past this, we commonly share large updates, reductions which are launched by Disneyland, crowd ranges change, and so on., we ship out e-mail notifications. To obtain these, subscribe to our free e-mail publication. This gives you a good suggestion of what issues are like ‘on the bottom’ at Disneyland, in addition to what to anticipate sooner or later.
With all of that stated, let’s dig into the info and different variables to rank the ten greatest weeks and 10 worst weeks to go to Southern California and Disneyland Resort within the subsequent 2 years–which means dates in 2025 and 2026, plus a few weeks in 2027…
Worst Weeks to Go to Disneyland in 2025 to 2027
Winter Break (January 1-5, 2026; January 1-4, 2027) – There’s the notion that vacation crowds die down instantly after New 12 months’s Eve, that it’s like flipping a change. That was the case, however not. As of late, post-holiday crowds stay heavy by way of the primary weekend in January, and don’t let up till native faculty districts return into session following winter break.
After that, vacationers are briefly supplanted by native Magic Key passholders who’re not blocked out however are nonetheless on vacation break from work or faculty. Annual Passholder blockouts for January don’t completely coincide with Los Angeles and Orange County College District winter breaks, and are far more staggered than in earlier years.
Suffice to say, there’s a slight surge of pent-up demand amongst locals after multi-week blockouts raise within the New 12 months after some blockouts finish however earlier than faculties return into session. The excellent news is that it is like flipping a change after that, with the times that comply with being blissfully uncrowded till MLK Day Weekend.
Ski Week (February 14-24, 2025; February 13-23, 2026) – With out query, the worst dates of winter at Disneyland can be February 14-17, 2025, which is the Presidents’ Day vacation weekend. Your complete week following that’s dangerous because of the dreaded “Ski Week” at Disneyland. (See Avoiding Ski Week at Disneyland for a full clarification as to why a theme park, of all locations, is impacted by snowboarding crowds.)
In any case, the result’s that crowds will doubtless stay elevated by way of February 24, 2025 resulting from Ski Week. If in any respect doable, we’d keep away from all of those dates. Anticipate crowd ranges of round 8/10 throughout the peak of Presidents’ Day and seven/10 or larger on the encompassing dates.
With Lunar New 12 months ending earlier than this and no leisure or seasonal choices to take its place, this timeframe turns into even much less engaging. The dearth of parades, nighttime spectaculars, and so forth will exacerbate the seems like crowds, as there can be little-to-no leisure to ‘absorb’ crowds.
Early Spring Break (March 24-31, 2025; March 23-31, 2026) – March will get progressively busier within the second half of the month, first because of the finish of the Youngsters Ticket Deal. The final two weeks additionally begin seeing spring break crowds as non-local markets and a few faculties in surrounding states (specifically Utah and Nevada) begin having their spring breaks.
Moreover, some faculties in Orange County–the place Disneyland is positioned–have their spring breaks the final week of the month annually. Usually, native spring breaks trigger crowds to spike, particularly when overlapping with ticket offers that don’t have blockout dates, which means this would be the worst week of the month.
Nevertheless, March 2025 received’t be almost as dangerous as final yr. The largest cause is as a result of Easter isn’t till April 20, 2025. That is 3 full weeks later than the earlier yr, which is able to successfully unfold out the Spring Break season and dilute crowds.
Easter (April 11-21, 2025; April 1-6, 2026) – It is a pretty protected prediction yr in and yr out, no matter what else occurs. In actual fact, you would precisely predict at the moment that the week main as much as Easter can be busy in 2027-2030 or 2055.
Easter week has been the busiest of spring break season for so long as we’ve been overlaying Disneyland, though late March when Orange County is out has come shut a few occasions. Nevertheless, this week is exacerbated by the Los Angeles Unified College District having a spring break that’s anchored to easter. LAUSD has an outsized influence on Disneyland attendance, and its Spring Break is April 14-18, 2025.
In the long run, it doesn’t actually matter which of those spring break weeks has larger crowd ranges. That’s nearly completely educational, an fascinating factor to observe for these of us who obsess over crowd tendencies and attendance patterns. The underside line for many planners taking a look at this from a sensible perspective is that late March by way of the Monday after Easter can be very crowded.
Summer season’s Twin Peaks (Late Might/Early June 2025 and July 21-28, 2025; June 22-29, 2026 and July 20-27, 2026) – Summer season crowd calendars are snake oil. There’s little or no consistency in attendance patterns for June and July within the final a number of years. Typical knowledge was that the weeks round Fourth of July have been the peaks, however that hasn’t been the case shortly–every of the final two years, Independence Day was among the many slowest of summer time.
There’s now rising knowledge that summer time is the brand new low season. That additionally isn’t correct. Each week of June and July final yr–besides Independence Day–noticed above-average crowd ranges. When contrasted with shoulder season earlier than summer time or the low season after, the distinction was pronounced.
To the extent that there was a development, it’s that there are twin peaks in summer time. One across the midway level, and one which we’ve described as a “final hurrah” as vacationers scramble to take journeys earlier than faculty going again into session. These peaks aren’t fully constant, however have kind of been the top of June and finish of July, with Mondays being particularly dangerous (therefore these dates being Monday to Monday).
Nevertheless, the brand new wrinkle for 2025 is the beginning of the Disneyland seventieth Anniversary Celebration, which begins on Might 16, 2025. Our expectation is that the occasion will begin out robust, with heavy crowds its opening weekend after which once more the next lengthy weekend for Memorial Day and into early June 2025. There aren’t precise dates above as a result of it’s tough to foretell how crowds will play out.
You probably have no selection however to go to throughout summer time, and are selecting dates from a holistic perspective, we’d advocate aiming for mid-June. Crowds elsewhere round Southern California are extra like a bell curve, with the Fourth of July being the excessive level. Our tough rule of thumb is that Father’s Day sometimes alerts the arrival of peak summer time crowds within the seashore cities. Both go to earlier than then, or after mid-August as crowds begin departing.
Finish of Summer season Ticket Offers (September 19-30, 2025; September 19-30, 2026 or so) – There’s at all times an enormous spike in crowds over the last week of any ticket deal as locals scramble to make use of their remaining dates on these tickets. This dynamic happens because of the ‘use it or lose it’ rush to make the most of these tickets earlier than they expire. The identical factor at all times occurs when the winter/spring provide ends (Might 15, 2025), though that needs to be lessened this yr because it’s instantly earlier than Disneyland’s seventieth Anniversary.
Final yr, this ticket deal ended September 26; the yr earlier than that, September 28. Because of this, that final week had crowd ranges of 6/10 to 9/10 throughout every of the previous few years. We’d anticipate one thing comparable for 2025, however we received’t know till it’s launched, which is able to doubtless happen in June–maybe July if Disneyland’s seventieth Anniversary proves a adequate driver of crowds.
As such, we’re erring on the facet of warning and forecasting heavy crowds (7/10 to 10/10) beginning September 19, 2025 and operating by way of the top of the month. The week earlier than that is also elevated, however received’t be so dangerous. It actually relies upon upon eligibility, when the ticket deal expires, reservation availability, and if individuals are “compelled” to take these last-minute visits earlier resulting from diminished reservations. We’ll replace all of this as soon as the ticket deal is reside and people particulars are launched.
Fall Breaks (October 10-19, 2025; October 9-18, 2026) – Up till the final two years, which have been arguably anomalies to an extent, October had turn out to be the #1 worst month of the yr at Disneyland. Except for the primary week, the parks have been packed–for just about all the month.
This was pushed by a mix of the Halloween season being extremely standard with locals and a scattering of fall breaks for varsity districts all through California and the West Coast. Disney’s resolution was to dramatically increase the worth of single-day tickets all through October (now probably the most costly month of the yr to go to, on common) and lengthen the Halloween season into August.
This has largely labored. Demand has been pulled ahead into August and September, and locals with flexibility decide to go to when it’s cheaper. Except for Fall Breaks, October’s highs aren’t as excessive as they as soon as have been. The rationale the final couple of years have been arguably anomalies to an extent is as a result of Disneyland has overcorrected, and it’s solely a matter of time earlier than issues swing again within the different course.
For now, simply bear in mind that many districts in Utah and California have breaks that fall between these two weekends. There’s additionally Nevada Day on the finish of the month, however even that plus Halloween aren’t sufficient for that to make the listing.
Thanksgiving (November 21-28, 2025; November 20-27, 2026) – Nearly any Disney fan is accustomed to the crowds of the ultimate three weeks on this listing, that are nearly equivalent for each Disneyland and Walt Disney World.
They’re hardly a secret or shock, and are predictably busy yr in and yr out. These weeks nonetheless catch some informal guests abruptly, as there are persistent city legends that the vacations are quiet as a result of “everyone seems to be at house with their households.” Clearly, that’s hogwash.
Providing a bit extra perception right here, Thanksgiving week crowds are typically worst the Sunday by way of Tuesday earlier than Thanksgiving earlier than a comparative lull on late Wednesday and early Thursday. Friday and Saturday are wildcards; normally each are very busy, however not at all times.
We’ve formally eliminated Saturday from the above dates to keep away from as a result of it was downright pleasant final yr. We’d advocate erring on the facet of warning and avoiding it if in any respect doable, however that’s not important. The Sunday after Thanksgiving has been uncrowded for years, making that an awesome first day within the parks.
Christmas (December 22-25, 2025; December 21-25, 2026) – Right here’s the place there’s deviation between Disneyland and Walt Disney World. As a consequence of extremely aggressive Magic Key Annual Passholder blockouts, there’s truly this odd ‘calm earlier than the storm’ dynamic from round December 19 to 21 when blockouts have largely taken impact, however earlier than vacationers have arrived. Not sufficient to make {that a} beneficial time to go to, however sufficient that it’s noticeable.
The arrival of Christmas week crowds are very dependent upon the day of the week of Christmas. As a consequence of its timing final yr and this yr, the week after (between Christmas and New 12 months’s Eve) noticed or will see the worst of the crowds.
Consequently, the true peak of Christmas crowds comes that Monday and Tuesday, just like Thanksgiving. And this week is rarely as busy because the week between Christmas and New 12 months’s Eve. Regardless, all second-half of December dates are effectively above-average and needs to be prevented if doable. However not all days are equally busy. Some are far worse. That’ll in all probability be the case with the week earlier than December 25 in every of the following dozen years.
New 12 months’s Eve (December 26-31, 2025; December 26-31, 2026) – It’s the very same story right here. The week main as much as New 12 months’s Eve is nearly at all times 9/10 to 10/10 on the gang calendar.
Nevertheless, it as soon as once more isn’t almost as dangerous as Walt Disney World (which has 10+/10 crowd ranges) because of the aforementioned across-the-board Magic Key blockouts. This truly brings the week of New 12 months’s Eve extra in step with Easter, with the latter notably not having as aggressive of AP blockouts and being eligible for the SoCal resident ticket deal.
Nonetheless, when you have been to position a guess on the busiest weeks of 2025 and 2026, the good cash can be on this week. If I needed to make the identical guess for the yr 2055, I’d nonetheless decide the week main as much as New 12 months’s Eve. Doesn’t essentially imply it’ll have the worst wait occasions given the uncertainty of constructing predictions 1-2 years into the long run, however it’s the odds-on favourite of claiming the crown.
Finest Weeks to Go to Disneyland in 2025 & 2026
Winter Doldrums (January 21-26, 2025; January 20-25, 2026) – After winter break ends, January is essentially quiet excluding the Martin Luther King Jr. Day vacation weekend and Disneyland Half Marathon–and even the runDisney occasion isn’t busy busy. This leaves three completely different weeks which are probably good choices for decrease crowds in January.
All of these needs to be equally good, and if this have been accomplished solely on the target foundation of crowd ranges, there’s a greater than respectable likelihood a few weeks would make the reduce. These weeks will get you far sufficient exterior the vacation season, with the post-blockout crowd wave having subsided, and native faculties being again in session.
Our favourite of those is January 21-26, 2025. This dates is in direction of the beginning of the Lunar New 12 months festivities at DCA, which is at all times a enjoyable time to go to. It additionally advantages from fewer refurbishments and normally higher climate. (Observe: 2026 dates are topic to alter as soon as the Disneyland Half Marathon dates are set.)
Early to Mid-February (February 4-13, 2025; February 3-12, 2026) – This is kind of a continuation of the above, skipping the dates that coincide with the 2025 Disneyland Half Marathon. (Once more, this window may shift as soon as 2026 Disneyland Half Marathon dates are revealed.)
As a normal matter, winter crowds regularly enhance after bottoming out in mid-to-late January. Nevertheless, crowds additionally enhance from low ranges to extra average ones by mid-February. So you actually need to optimize for what issues most to you–potential refurbishments and colder climate or crowds? It’s positively a ‘fly too near the solar and get burned’ kinda deal, with Ski Week coming instantly after these dates.
With all of that in thoughts, our favourite window to go to inside this timeframe is February 4-9, 2025. We’d additionally advocate February 11-13, 2025 as dates that ought to characteristic extra average crowds. The final week of January into early February is normally additionally a superb possibility. Nevertheless, the 2025 Disneyland Half Marathon is January 30 to February 2, 2025. Whereas it could have a negligible influence on crowds (as was the case final yr), we’re not assured in a repeat of that. Accordingly, we’d err on the facet of avoiding that week.
For all of those beneficial January and February dates, it’s additionally value noting that we aren’t averse to winter climate. We love carrying sweaters to Disneyland, and don’t thoughts the occasional wet day that clears out crowds. We additionally love the extraordinarily uncrowded seashores, however we’re additionally by no means getting within the water. These will not be good dates when you’re making an attempt to flee the snow and chilly of the Midwest or wherever and need a heat climate getaway. We point out this as a result of it at all times journeys up planners–however Southern California and Central Florida do not share climates.
Early Spring (March 4-9, 2025; March 3-8, 2026) – These dates aren’t set in stone, and also you may need comparable success the next or earlier week. Nevertheless, there are a number of particular the explanation why we’re recommending these dates. First, this gives adequate clearance from each Mid-Winter Break or Ski Week and Spring Break. Go every week earlier or later and also you may run into ever-so-slightly elevated crowds consequently.
Second, that is the week after the Disney California Journey Meals & Wine Pageant begins. That attracts a whole lot of locals to the parks, particularly DCA, for its opening weekend and people aren’t at all times picked up by conventional crowd calendars since they’re visiting for the occasion and to not journey points of interest.
Lastly, this can be a couple of weeks earlier than the Youngsters’ Ticket Deal ends. This standard low cost is an enormous draw for households, and we’ve observed elevated crowds–and seas of strollers–in its remaining week as vacationers and locals alike race to take benefit. It’s not as pronounced as the top of the SoCal resident deal, but it surely’s noticeable.
That apart, that is considered one of our absolute favourite weeks of the yr at Disneyland, owing to an awesome mixture of low-to-moderate crowds, pretty climate, and the DCA Meals & Wine Pageant. In the event you’re planning on a seashore go to, it’s additionally a good time to beat the crowds there–with no need to put on a parka whilst you’re lounging. We extremely advocate visiting Disneyland throughout these dates!
Submit-Easter (April 22-30, 2025; April 12-26, 2026) – For this week, we’re primarily trying every week or two after Easter. Normally, crowds die down within the week instantly after the vacation, however there are nonetheless some faculties with breaks then. The week following that’s normally when the slower season arrives.
The added advantages listed here are (normally) spring climate and decrease costs. That makes this an awesome possibility when you’re searching for the optimum dates between spring and summer time faculty breaks. That is likewise a implausible time within the seashore cities, Los Angeles, and Common Studios Hollywood.
Shoulder Season (Might 1-8, 2025; Might 1-15, 2026) – In trying on the wait time knowledge, the primary full week of Might is normally the slowest of the month. Not by a large margin, and the next week is usually higher. In actual fact, all the month earlier than the Memorial Day vacation weekend is normally fairly good, and reliably uncrowded because it’s the shoulder season between spring break and summer time trip.
The large exception to that is usually the week to 10 days earlier than the expiration of the Southern California resident ticket deal, which normally ends earlier than Memorial Day or in early June (if nothing particular is going on Memorial Day weekend). Nevertheless, this yr the ticket deal concludes on Might 15, 2025 because of the Disneyland seventieth Anniversary celebration beginning the following day. That may nearly actually convey the shoulder season social gathering to a untimely finish.
Admittedly, we don’t have an entire image of what to anticipate in Might 2025, which is a reasonably unprecedented month consequently to those countervailing components. Given this, we’d personally be extra inclined to go to in late April than early Might, however each choices needs to be engaging.
Submit-Summer season (August 19-28, 2025; August 18-27, 2026) – August 2025 crowds drop when Orange County and Los Angeles faculties return into session. Orange County faculties resume round August 12, 2025 and Los Angeles County resumes on August 11, 2025. That second date is vital; there’ll nearly actually be a precipitous drop beginning that week.
That’s partially offset by the summer time Magic Key Annual Passholder blockouts for the bottom tiers of passes ending round roughly the identical time. There can be a whole lot of pent-up demand for locals who’ve been blocked out for ~2 months, and they’re going to return in droves that week.
On the opposite finish of the date vary, Halloween now begins earlier, on August 22, 2025. Anticipate that weekend and the next Monday to be barely elevated, earlier than returning to low season ranges on Tuesday. Whether or not you need decrease crowds or spook season festivities is a private query, and why this date vary gives each.
Our expectation is that the pre-Halloween interval in 2025 can be extra engaging than regular, appropriately the primary window throughout the Disneyland seventieth Anniversary celebration with low crowds. In contrast, the beginning of spook season may convey with it locals making the most of ticket offers who need to double-dip on the seventieth and Halloween.
Round Labor Day (September 2-7, 2025; August 28 to September 3, 2026) – The week beginning the Tuesday after Labor Day has been the least busy of all the yr for 3 of the final 5 years.
This development will nearly actually proceed in September 2025. That timeframe is after the preliminary rush of Halloween, effectively earlier than Fall Break, and likewise sufficiently previous to the final hurrah of at any time when the upcoming ticket deal expires. This needs to be a implausible time to go to, with solely climate being a wildcard.
In contrast, Labor Day will occur later in 2026 and the week after is likely to be too near all of that for consolation. Accordingly, we’re shifting the beneficial week in entrance of Labor Day. (Topic to alter as soon as the ticket deal is launched and Halloween dates are introduced.)
Between Two Holidays (November 1-6, 2025; November 3-10, 2026) – Final yr marked the primary time that the Christmas season kicked off after Veterans Day weekend. This yr will mark the second time.
Final yr, this primary week of November was one of many slowest of the yr consequently. It did get busier round Veterans Day, however nonetheless nothing like in earlier years when that vacation was a part of the Christmas season–to the purpose that we wouldn’t be averse to visiting round Veterans Day or anytime earlier than November 14, 2025.
Whether or not this development continues in 2026 is anybody’s guess. From a quantitative perspective, this timeframe is simply too good to disregard–particularly with Haunted Mansion Vacation already underway, Christmas decorations beginning to go up, and sometimes nice climate. From a qualitative perspective, we’d commerce the decrease crowds for a fully-fledged Christmas season. Accordingly, the following two weeks are a lot stronger suggestions.
Submit-Thanksgiving (November 29 to December 7, 2025; November 28 to December 6, 2026) – The start is instantly after Thanksgiving, which can name this advice into query. However crowds fall quick after the vacation as individuals there for that week head house.
Every little thing about this week is nice–the climate, post-holiday lull in crowds, pricing, and the total slate of Christmas season leisure. We joke that this was Disney’s “second-best saved secret” after Disney Trip Membership, which is to say it was a secret in identify solely since so many individuals knew about it.
Second Week of December (December 8-14, 2025; December 7-13, 2026) – The next week is simply barely busier, so it’s not like you want to get out of city earlier than December 8. Final yr, each of the 2 weeks after Thanksgiving had a median wait time of 25 minutes, which may be very low.
We’ve come to actually just like the weekend of Candlelight Processional, which artificially suppresses attendance and wait occasions at Disneyland that weekend. Many sources will recommend avoiding that weekend. They’re fallacious–that’s an outdated perspective within the period of park reservations. You simply need to be good about it, and use that particular occasion to your strategic benefit.
That is exactly why the second week of December is our #1 favourite time to go to Disneyland. It’s not the target greatest from a crowds perspective, but it surely does are typically very low (common wait occasions within the ~25 minute vary) and you possibly can leverage savvy technique to your benefit. Seeing Candlelight Processional, even when from a distance, can also be an superior expertise that’s extremely memorable.
In the end, that’s a rundown of the highest 10 weeks of the yr and the worst 10 weeks at Disneyland for all of 2025 and 2026. As you may’ve gathered by studying the entries, there are good and dangerous home windows that stretch past what’s lined on this listing–you must be capable to deduce most of these primarily based the rundown above.
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